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		<title>By: Kwan</title>
		<link>http://www.millennium3.info/2008/01/26/the-real-10000-bc/comment-page-1/#comment-5104</link>
		<dc:creator>Kwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2011 14:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid the author here doesn&#039;t know what the film&#039;s story writers intended. He should read publications by Graham Hancock, John Anthony West, Dr. Robert Schoch, Robert Temple,etc. Their theories are that civilisation has been around far longer than what archaeologists allow.
Read the wiki? Scientific studies shows otherwise? For one, wiki IS NOT a definitive source of information. Curtin University in Perth here does not recognise wikipedia as valid. Plus, those scientific studies are THEORIES, not facts
For those who are sceptical or completely against the idea that human civilisation began far older. Consider the argument by the authors mentioned above that the ancient Egyptians have a complete language system fully functional by the time of its first pyramid building pharaoh, Djoser, meant that their roots must have been way further back to allow the Egyptians time to fully develop a language.
Orthodox archaeology are saying, however, that a language can been fully developed in a few hundred years.</description>
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Read the wiki? Scientific studies shows otherwise? For one, wiki IS NOT a definitive source of information. Curtin University in Perth here does not recognise wikipedia as valid. Plus, those scientific studies are THEORIES, not facts<br />
For those who are sceptical or completely against the idea that human civilisation began far older. Consider the argument by the authors mentioned above that the ancient Egyptians have a complete language system fully functional by the time of its first pyramid building pharaoh, Djoser, meant that their roots must have been way further back to allow the Egyptians time to fully develop a language.<br />
Orthodox archaeology are saying, however, that a language can been fully developed in a few hundred years.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.millennium3.info/2008/01/26/the-real-10000-bc/comment-page-1/#comment-9095</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 23:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now that the movie is out, we see that the hero is a strong Caucasian born of a family of darker-skinned people, and his romantic lead is also (mysteriously) white.  And, as we find out at the end, so is the villain.

I guess everyone else is just furniture.</description>
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<p>I guess everyone else is just furniture.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But isn&#039;t that the whole point of Hollywood? To exaggerate the truth and make the line between reality and illusion imperceptible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But isn&#8217;t that the whole point of Hollywood? To exaggerate the truth and make the line between reality and illusion imperceptible?</p>
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		<title>By: cj</title>
		<link>http://www.millennium3.info/2008/01/26/the-real-10000-bc/comment-page-1/#comment-9091</link>
		<dc:creator>cj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you guys are all nerds</description>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHEN WERE THE PYRAMIDS REALLY BUILT? 

The official Egyptian stance on the subject of when the Pyramids were actually constructed has come under some serious criticism in the last century as evidence builds that the Pyramids are far older than previously thought.  Obviously, the Egyptians have many reasons to &quot;keep it in the family&quot; by perpetuating the classic theory of the pyramids being constructed in about 4,300 B.C. by ancient Egyptian kings, and they do have some evidence for this theory, though at this point it seems highly questionable. 

The first piece of evidence is from a man named Herodotus who visited Egypt in 443 B.C. and related a story about the Pharaoh Khufu (Cheops) building the great pyramid.   Unfortunately, Herodotus was considered an unreliable liar even by his peers of the day, and thus his story has to be taken with a grain of salt. 

The other main piece of evidence for this timeline is an inscription that was supposedly found by Col. Richard Howard-Vyse after blasting his way into the airspace chambers  above the King&#039;s Chamber in 1837.  We know that Richard&#039;s research money was running low at the time and that he desperately needed a major find in the Pyramid for continued funding.  It is highly suspected that the inscriptions he supposedly &quot;found&quot; in the airspace chamber were actually written by him.   This forgery may conceivably have worked, as basically the same red paint that the ancients used is still used today in Egypt, but the content of the inscriptions is incongruent with the timeline to say the least, including sayings that didn&#039;t surface until a couple thousand years later, and blatant misspellings.  From the record, Pharaoh Khufu himself says that he only did repair work on an already existing Pyramid complex and built three small pyramids in the area for himself and his family.  Indeed, on the east side of the Pyramid there are ruins of three small pyramids, one of which has produced evidence of being the tomb of his wife.....

Many legends passed down from ancient civilizations mention the Pyramid as a repository of sorts to protect the knowledge of a highly advanced civilization from &quot;a flood.&quot;  This is significant, and there are records that indicate that before the limestone surface of the Pyramids was stripped away, there was a water line that reached to about halfway up the Great Pyramid - about 240 feet - strongly suggesting that the Pyramids were built before the great flood - which occurred around 10,000 B.C.  Inside, when the Great Pyramid was first opened, there were thick salt deposits along the walls to about halfway up.  Though some of this salt is attributable to natural weeping by the rocks, some is also consistent chemically with sea salt - another strong piece of evidence for the Pyramids being in existence before the Great Flood.  Indeed, modern studies indicate that 10,000 B.C. was a time of massive geomagnetic, climactic and geologic changes, and it is also the time frame that Plato uses to describe the destruction of the great civilization of Atlantis - assumedly from the same catastrophic events.  

There is some evidence astronomically that coincides with the 10,000 - 12,000 B.C. timeline for the construction of the Pyramids.   It has long been strongly suspected that the Pyramids have an integral connection to the night sky, and to the constellation Orion in particular.  The three Pyramids are not in perfect, straight alignment as one might expect, but are slightly askew.  This configuration is strongly suggestive of  three stars in Orion&#039;s belt, though their orientation is different.  However, if you turn the clock back by about 10,500 years, suddenly the orientation and alignment becomes perfect (see comparison below).  This is strong evidence in support of the Pyramids being built during this time in ancient history rather than the classical timeframe given to us by mainstream Egyptologists. 

Lastly, and this one is certainly debatable but does warrant mention - Edgar Cayce, one of the most noted psychics of our time, correlated the Pyramids to the time of Atlantis and dated them to - you guessed it - 10,500 B.C.............

Though none of this is concrete proof of the timeline of the advent of the Pyramids, the evidence does seem to point to a much more remote civilization than has been presented in the official literature, and raises many more questions such as how an assumedly primitive society could erect such massive and precise structures and why............topics that can be researched using the links at top left.......</description>
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<p>The official Egyptian stance on the subject of when the Pyramids were actually constructed has come under some serious criticism in the last century as evidence builds that the Pyramids are far older than previously thought.  Obviously, the Egyptians have many reasons to &#8220;keep it in the family&#8221; by perpetuating the classic theory of the pyramids being constructed in about 4,300 B.C. by ancient Egyptian kings, and they do have some evidence for this theory, though at this point it seems highly questionable. </p>
<p>The first piece of evidence is from a man named Herodotus who visited Egypt in 443 B.C. and related a story about the Pharaoh Khufu (Cheops) building the great pyramid.   Unfortunately, Herodotus was considered an unreliable liar even by his peers of the day, and thus his story has to be taken with a grain of salt. </p>
<p>The other main piece of evidence for this timeline is an inscription that was supposedly found by Col. Richard Howard-Vyse after blasting his way into the airspace chambers  above the King&#8217;s Chamber in 1837.  We know that Richard&#8217;s research money was running low at the time and that he desperately needed a major find in the Pyramid for continued funding.  It is highly suspected that the inscriptions he supposedly &#8220;found&#8221; in the airspace chamber were actually written by him.   This forgery may conceivably have worked, as basically the same red paint that the ancients used is still used today in Egypt, but the content of the inscriptions is incongruent with the timeline to say the least, including sayings that didn&#8217;t surface until a couple thousand years later, and blatant misspellings.  From the record, Pharaoh Khufu himself says that he only did repair work on an already existing Pyramid complex and built three small pyramids in the area for himself and his family.  Indeed, on the east side of the Pyramid there are ruins of three small pyramids, one of which has produced evidence of being the tomb of his wife&#8230;..</p>
<p>Many legends passed down from ancient civilizations mention the Pyramid as a repository of sorts to protect the knowledge of a highly advanced civilization from &#8220;a flood.&#8221;  This is significant, and there are records that indicate that before the limestone surface of the Pyramids was stripped away, there was a water line that reached to about halfway up the Great Pyramid &#8211; about 240 feet &#8211; strongly suggesting that the Pyramids were built before the great flood &#8211; which occurred around 10,000 B.C.  Inside, when the Great Pyramid was first opened, there were thick salt deposits along the walls to about halfway up.  Though some of this salt is attributable to natural weeping by the rocks, some is also consistent chemically with sea salt &#8211; another strong piece of evidence for the Pyramids being in existence before the Great Flood.  Indeed, modern studies indicate that 10,000 B.C. was a time of massive geomagnetic, climactic and geologic changes, and it is also the time frame that Plato uses to describe the destruction of the great civilization of Atlantis &#8211; assumedly from the same catastrophic events.  </p>
<p>There is some evidence astronomically that coincides with the 10,000 &#8211; 12,000 B.C. timeline for the construction of the Pyramids.   It has long been strongly suspected that the Pyramids have an integral connection to the night sky, and to the constellation Orion in particular.  The three Pyramids are not in perfect, straight alignment as one might expect, but are slightly askew.  This configuration is strongly suggestive of  three stars in Orion&#8217;s belt, though their orientation is different.  However, if you turn the clock back by about 10,500 years, suddenly the orientation and alignment becomes perfect (see comparison below).  This is strong evidence in support of the Pyramids being built during this time in ancient history rather than the classical timeframe given to us by mainstream Egyptologists. </p>
<p>Lastly, and this one is certainly debatable but does warrant mention &#8211; Edgar Cayce, one of the most noted psychics of our time, correlated the Pyramids to the time of Atlantis and dated them to &#8211; you guessed it &#8211; 10,500 B.C&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Though none of this is concrete proof of the timeline of the advent of the Pyramids, the evidence does seem to point to a much more remote civilization than has been presented in the official literature, and raises many more questions such as how an assumedly primitive society could erect such massive and precise structures and why&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;topics that can be researched using the links at top left&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: true history</title>
		<link>http://www.millennium3.info/2008/01/26/the-real-10000-bc/comment-page-1/#comment-9092</link>
		<dc:creator>true history</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A shout out from the academic world....cheers to the last three people that posted comments on this site.  History is based on what we as a modern civilization (by our own definition) can derive from the physical evidence and surviving written works that we either dig up or get handed down to us over hundreds or thousands (if we&#039;re lucky) of years.  Unfortunately, once a theory is formed and has been around long enough, many people, including historians, make the mistake of accepting it as fact.  And prior to the emergence of mass communication, many influential historians, and we use the word loosely, were unable to compare their findings with either rival/conflicting or supplemental studies before forming many of the &quot;facts&quot; that are commonly accepted as truth today.  We are no longer restricted to what the nearest history buff declares as gospel, and investigating even the history taught in elementary schools today is absolutely necessary when criticizing what anyone else put forth as a historical possibility. Incidentally, the History Channel is NOT well regarded among modern historians as a legitimate source of historical fact. Like any media outlet, this channel is restricted in its programming by the need to attract viewers and advertisers, and is not above manipulating &quot;facts&quot; to make their productions more dramatic and appealing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A shout out from the academic world&#8230;.cheers to the last three people that posted comments on this site.  History is based on what we as a modern civilization (by our own definition) can derive from the physical evidence and surviving written works that we either dig up or get handed down to us over hundreds or thousands (if we&#8217;re lucky) of years.  Unfortunately, once a theory is formed and has been around long enough, many people, including historians, make the mistake of accepting it as fact.  And prior to the emergence of mass communication, many influential historians, and we use the word loosely, were unable to compare their findings with either rival/conflicting or supplemental studies before forming many of the &#8220;facts&#8221; that are commonly accepted as truth today.  We are no longer restricted to what the nearest history buff declares as gospel, and investigating even the history taught in elementary schools today is absolutely necessary when criticizing what anyone else put forth as a historical possibility. Incidentally, the History Channel is NOT well regarded among modern historians as a legitimate source of historical fact. Like any media outlet, this channel is restricted in its programming by the need to attract viewers and advertisers, and is not above manipulating &#8220;facts&#8221; to make their productions more dramatic and appealing.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://www.millennium3.info/2008/01/26/the-real-10000-bc/comment-page-1/#comment-9084</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>......to add to the last comment, Don&#039;t forget the other pyramid-like structures that are currently under water in Japans yonaguni. Those structures have been said to have been built around 10000 B.C. as well since that was the last time that area &quot;yonaguni&quot; has been above water. Same to those under water pyramid-like structures in the Caribbean&#039;s. The Egyptian Pyramid&#039;s may have been built starting from 10000 B.C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;to add to the last comment, Don&#8217;t forget the other pyramid-like structures that are currently under water in Japans yonaguni. Those structures have been said to have been built around 10000 B.C. as well since that was the last time that area &#8220;yonaguni&#8221; has been above water. Same to those under water pyramid-like structures in the Caribbean&#8217;s. The Egyptian Pyramid&#8217;s may have been built starting from 10000 B.C.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the age of Pyramids MAY HAVE BEEN have been built around 10000 B.C. Through studies it has been shown that The MOST erosion on Egyptian Pyramids have been due to MASSIVE rainfall. Egypts deserts having massive rainfall? Correct. Studies have shown that the last time Egypt\&#039;s desert have had massive rainfall were about 10000 B.C. Debunking the previous theory of Egypts pyramids being built post 3000 B.C. Whoever made this movie did more accruate analysis than you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the age of Pyramids MAY HAVE BEEN have been built around 10000 B.C. Through studies it has been shown that The MOST erosion on Egyptian Pyramids have been due to MASSIVE rainfall. Egypts deserts having massive rainfall? Correct. Studies have shown that the last time Egypt\&#8217;s desert have had massive rainfall were about 10000 B.C. Debunking the previous theory of Egypts pyramids being built post 3000 B.C. Whoever made this movie did more accruate analysis than you think.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The latest Scientific American describes some of recent human evolution. It is now thought that lactose tolerance and increased repetition of genes aiding the digestion of starch evolved independently in several different regions, reflecting the changing diets of the local population. This would have happened in the period between 10000 B.C. and today. It is now thought that the extent of modern human adaptation is greater than previously thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest Scientific American describes some of recent human evolution. It is now thought that lactose tolerance and increased repetition of genes aiding the digestion of starch evolved independently in several different regions, reflecting the changing diets of the local population. This would have happened in the period between 10000 B.C. and today. It is now thought that the extent of modern human adaptation is greater than previously thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything we know about history from 12,000 bc to 2000 bc is mostly theorectical. Yet people without thinking take these theories as fact. Case in point, an iron sheet was found inside the structure of the great pyriamid (constructed 2500bc) - it was dismissed by so called experts as fake, as according to their facts iron oring &amp; manipulation did not occur for 1500 years later- depsite engineers stating it had to have been installed at the consturction date, by the nature of where it was placed. People theorise and then take their theories as fact, anything that flies in the face of these so called facts are dismissed as incorrect, when these so called facts are only theories with no proof. 
It seems likely that during the end of the last ice age with the great floods that wiped out many civilisations and also their knowledge, we lost much information regarding life pre 10,000BC. But to speculate or theorise on this draws derision from idiots such as the members of this page. Open your minds fools. Why could there not have been civilisations with ships? Why could there not have been great cities and structures? Underwater sites have been found all around the world showing large stone structres in sites that were above sea level pre 10,000BC, but again these fly in the face of contemporary theory.  Dont beleive everything you are told. You ask for proof, yet your experts do not provide proof of their theories. Everything you know is wrong</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything we know about history from 12,000 bc to 2000 bc is mostly theorectical. Yet people without thinking take these theories as fact. Case in point, an iron sheet was found inside the structure of the great pyriamid (constructed 2500bc) &#8211; it was dismissed by so called experts as fake, as according to their facts iron oring &amp; manipulation did not occur for 1500 years later- depsite engineers stating it had to have been installed at the consturction date, by the nature of where it was placed. People theorise and then take their theories as fact, anything that flies in the face of these so called facts are dismissed as incorrect, when these so called facts are only theories with no proof.<br />
It seems likely that during the end of the last ice age with the great floods that wiped out many civilisations and also their knowledge, we lost much information regarding life pre 10,000BC. But to speculate or theorise on this draws derision from idiots such as the members of this page. Open your minds fools. Why could there not have been civilisations with ships? Why could there not have been great cities and structures? Underwater sites have been found all around the world showing large stone structres in sites that were above sea level pre 10,000BC, but again these fly in the face of contemporary theory.  Dont beleive everything you are told. You ask for proof, yet your experts do not provide proof of their theories. Everything you know is wrong</p>
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		<title>By: Rafael Perez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafael Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 07:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone see the map the pharaoh had? It showed part of South America.</description>
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		<title>By: Kragnoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kragnoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do none of you realize this movie was largely inspired by the heroic fantasy works of Robet E. Howard? His stories take place in the Hyborian Age, which is a time and place in the world that could be called an alternate history. In the Hyborian Age, all of the continents are one, thus explaining the smilodons and terror birds in places they shouldn&#039;t be. It also explains the mammoths and smilodons being larger than they should be, because in the Hyborian Age there are enormous wild cats and mammoths. Tying together my theory that this movie is supposed to represent the Hyborian Age of Robert E. Howard&#039;s writings is the presence of an Atlantean. According the the Hyborian Age stories, Atlanteans traveled to the mainland of Hyboria after their own land dissolved into war and chaos. They brought the first vestiges of civilization to the Great Continent, thus the large waterships and pyramids and taming of animals like mammoths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do none of you realize this movie was largely inspired by the heroic fantasy works of Robet E. Howard? His stories take place in the Hyborian Age, which is a time and place in the world that could be called an alternate history. In the Hyborian Age, all of the continents are one, thus explaining the smilodons and terror birds in places they shouldn&#8217;t be. It also explains the mammoths and smilodons being larger than they should be, because in the Hyborian Age there are enormous wild cats and mammoths. Tying together my theory that this movie is supposed to represent the Hyborian Age of Robert E. Howard&#8217;s writings is the presence of an Atlantean. According the the Hyborian Age stories, Atlanteans traveled to the mainland of Hyboria after their own land dissolved into war and chaos. They brought the first vestiges of civilization to the Great Continent, thus the large waterships and pyramids and taming of animals like mammoths.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the only thing that was accurate about this movie was the fact they were all inhaling some kind of hallucinogen (protocannabis soama) in the tent with the Shawoman... this then explains the trip the heroes all went on! Specially the bit where bronze weapon wielding horse riders from 2000BC were rounding up tribesmen from 8000 years prior and slapping some kind of metallic handcuffs on them. that was where their trip really went baaaad...despite this, the collective pot smoking in the tent is all perfectly feasible - in fact the rest of it is all so obviously a drug addled flight of fantasy I cant believe its being debated here! I hope none of you guys think that Total Recall reflected real events rather than the &#039;holiday trip&#039; with the blue sky ending Arnie paid for in the beginning ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only thing that was accurate about this movie was the fact they were all inhaling some kind of hallucinogen (protocannabis soama) in the tent with the Shawoman&#8230; this then explains the trip the heroes all went on! Specially the bit where bronze weapon wielding horse riders from 2000BC were rounding up tribesmen from 8000 years prior and slapping some kind of metallic handcuffs on them. that was where their trip really went baaaad&#8230;despite this, the collective pot smoking in the tent is all perfectly feasible &#8211; in fact the rest of it is all so obviously a drug addled flight of fantasy I cant believe its being debated here! I hope none of you guys think that Total Recall reflected real events rather than the &#8216;holiday trip&#8217; with the blue sky ending Arnie paid for in the beginning <img src='http://www.millennium3.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Darla Hitchcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darla Hitchcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And telescopes were invented in 1608/1609!</description>
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		<title>By: Darla Hitchcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darla Hitchcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 05:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son and I watched the movie last night.  I spent so much of the movie dragging out yet another encylopedia looking up the glaring inaccuracies.  One thing, besides, those inaccuracies that REALLY bugged us was that no one in the original tribe looked like another--you had obvious polynesians, inuits, blacks, arab, an Ethan Hawke looking white guy in the lead character, and more!  The casting agents, as well as director, production designer, etc. soooo dropped the ball on this (as well as on historical accuracy)A tribe would have been more homogenous in their appearance!  Now, the raiders DID look more alike, but they definately had a Roman/Greek/Persian/Fertile Crescent sort of look--would they REALLY have interacted with those from a more northern(possibly steppes?) area?  The movie was just hokey, not very entertaining, and really hard for a history geek to take</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son and I watched the movie last night.  I spent so much of the movie dragging out yet another encylopedia looking up the glaring inaccuracies.  One thing, besides, those inaccuracies that REALLY bugged us was that no one in the original tribe looked like another&#8211;you had obvious polynesians, inuits, blacks, arab, an Ethan Hawke looking white guy in the lead character, and more!  The casting agents, as well as director, production designer, etc. soooo dropped the ball on this (as well as on historical accuracy)A tribe would have been more homogenous in their appearance!  Now, the raiders DID look more alike, but they definately had a Roman/Greek/Persian/Fertile Crescent sort of look&#8211;would they REALLY have interacted with those from a more northern(possibly steppes?) area?  The movie was just hokey, not very entertaining, and really hard for a history geek to take</p>
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		<title>By: Elijah Lucian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elijah Lucian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>see. this is the problem these days. you just dont relax and enjoy a movie. its FICTION!!!!!!!!! 

here since you like facts: 

fiction
Noun
1. literary works invented by the imagination, such as novels

just stop trying to be a know it all and enjoy life. jeez.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>see. this is the problem these days. you just dont relax and enjoy a movie. its FICTION!!!!!!!!! </p>
<p>here since you like facts: </p>
<p>fiction<br />
Noun<br />
1. literary works invented by the imagination, such as novels</p>
<p>just stop trying to be a know it all and enjoy life. jeez.</p>
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		<title>By: Carycomic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carycomic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could that wall-painting have depicted the same type of North African elephant species that the Carthaginian army used (as heavy cavalry mounts) in the Punic Wars with Rome?</description>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just ran across another interesting bit about mammoths on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.livescience.com&quot;  rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LiveScience.com&lt;/a&gt;. In their article, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.livescience.com/space/080305-10000-bc.html&quot;  rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Real or Fake? The Frightening Creatures in &lt;em&gt;10,000 BC&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&quot;, they write:

&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;font-weight:bold&quot;&gt;&quot;Intriguingly, in 1994, a scientist in Israel revealed the ancient Egyptians may have known of woolly mammoths, with a wall painting of what might be a waist-sized mammoth found in a pharaoh&#039;s tomb.&quot;&lt;/span&gt;

Could this be the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_elephant&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dwarf mammoth&lt;/a&gt; of Wrangel Island (survived to 1700 BC), the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_elephant&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dwarf elephants&lt;/a&gt; of the Greek Island Tilos (survived to 2000 BC), or something else? My guess is either a regular Asian or African elephant or a dwarf elephant. The Wrangel island mammoths might have still been around, but they&#039;d be awfully far away from Egypt!

More:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/004814.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pygmy mammoths!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cq.rm.cnr.it/elephants2001/pdf/402_406.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Did endemic dwarf elephants survive on Mediterranean islands up to protohistorical times? (PDF!)&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just ran across another interesting bit about mammoths on <a href="http://www.livescience.com"  rel="nofollow">LiveScience.com</a>. In their article, &#8220;<a href="http://www.livescience.com/space/080305-10000-bc.html"  rel="nofollow">Real or Fake? The Frightening Creatures in <em>10,000 BC</em></a>&#8220;, they write:</p>
<p><span style="color:green;font-weight:bold">&#8220;Intriguingly, in 1994, a scientist in Israel revealed the ancient Egyptians may have known of woolly mammoths, with a wall painting of what might be a waist-sized mammoth found in a pharaoh&#8217;s tomb.&#8221;</span></p>
<p>Could this be the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_elephant" rel="nofollow">dwarf mammoth</a> of Wrangel Island (survived to 1700 BC), the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_elephant" rel="nofollow">dwarf elephants</a> of the Greek Island Tilos (survived to 2000 BC), or something else? My guess is either a regular Asian or African elephant or a dwarf elephant. The Wrangel island mammoths might have still been around, but they&#8217;d be awfully far away from Egypt!</p>
<p>More:<br /><a href="http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/004814.html" rel="nofollow">Pygmy mammoths!</a><br /><a href="http://www.cq.rm.cnr.it/elephants2001/pdf/402_406.pdf" rel="nofollow">Did endemic dwarf elephants survive on Mediterranean islands up to protohistorical times? (PDF!)</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the movie about an hour ago. I don&#039;t know much about the period but did notice how white everyone&#039;s teeth were. Was this possible 10000 B.C.? How did they travel those great distances in just days/weeks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the movie about an hour ago. I don&#8217;t know much about the period but did notice how white everyone&#8217;s teeth were. Was this possible 10000 B.C.? How did they travel those great distances in just days/weeks?</p>
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		<title>By: Shanon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shanon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all bring up interesting points.

One thing I&#039;d like to say in regards to the Atlantis theory, is that in one of my anthropology classes a few years ago, we discussed the possibility of Atlantis, and if it did in fact exist, where did we think it was? Well, many theories abounded, but, the most plausable theory that someone in my class had, was that it might have existed to the east, and a little north, of Crete. And yes, like the Minoans, and Mycaneaens, they would have been an advanced culture.

Back to 10,000 B.C.E. The problem I have (one of many) with this story/movie, is the tame Wooly Mammoth. It&#039;s not that I don&#039;t think it&#039;s possible (unlikely, yes), but the idea of a tuskless, TAME Wooly Mammoth bothers me, mostly because of a documentary I recently saw on Animal Planet in regards to elephants. It was dealing with the poaching of elephant tusks, and I kept thinking/wondering, &quot;OK, if they&#039;re only going after elephants for the ivory, and elephants can live without their tusks, why not (forgive the pun) kill two birds with one stone, and anethestize the elephants, remove the tusks (preferably only one, but both, if it&#039;s deemed absolutely necessary), and let the elephant live?&quot; Ideal right? Well, not really. My question got answered later in the show... Apparently, elephants that have had their tusks removed, and are now basically defenseless, tend to become extremely violent and dangerous. Based upon this, I can only imagine what a tuskless Wooly Mammoth would be like, and I cannot imagine that it would be tame/domesticated. Since elephants are descended from Wooly Mammoths (or am I completely wrong here? I took classes in anthropology, not paleontology, so I may be ignorant here), I can only imagine that a tuskless Wooly Mammoth would be ten times more dangerous than a tuskless elephant.

So, besides all the other historical inaccuracies that this movie has, the tuskless, domesticated Wooly Mammoth just added to that.

As for the Clovis Point People, well, theories have abounded as to their place of origin too, and while I have not before heard of the French origin theory, which to me seems implausable, I have heard theories that they were a sea faring people, but came from areas closer to where their sites in South America were originally found. It&#039;s more plausable that they sailed from nearby islands and landed in South America, and slowly migrated north. At least, this is what was discussed in my antropology classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all bring up interesting points.</p>
<p>One thing I&#8217;d like to say in regards to the Atlantis theory, is that in one of my anthropology classes a few years ago, we discussed the possibility of Atlantis, and if it did in fact exist, where did we think it was? Well, many theories abounded, but, the most plausable theory that someone in my class had, was that it might have existed to the east, and a little north, of Crete. And yes, like the Minoans, and Mycaneaens, they would have been an advanced culture.</p>
<p>Back to 10,000 B.C.E. The problem I have (one of many) with this story/movie, is the tame Wooly Mammoth. It&#8217;s not that I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s possible (unlikely, yes), but the idea of a tuskless, TAME Wooly Mammoth bothers me, mostly because of a documentary I recently saw on Animal Planet in regards to elephants. It was dealing with the poaching of elephant tusks, and I kept thinking/wondering, &#8220;OK, if they&#8217;re only going after elephants for the ivory, and elephants can live without their tusks, why not (forgive the pun) kill two birds with one stone, and anethestize the elephants, remove the tusks (preferably only one, but both, if it&#8217;s deemed absolutely necessary), and let the elephant live?&#8221; Ideal right? Well, not really. My question got answered later in the show&#8230; Apparently, elephants that have had their tusks removed, and are now basically defenseless, tend to become extremely violent and dangerous. Based upon this, I can only imagine what a tuskless Wooly Mammoth would be like, and I cannot imagine that it would be tame/domesticated. Since elephants are descended from Wooly Mammoths (or am I completely wrong here? I took classes in anthropology, not paleontology, so I may be ignorant here), I can only imagine that a tuskless Wooly Mammoth would be ten times more dangerous than a tuskless elephant.</p>
<p>So, besides all the other historical inaccuracies that this movie has, the tuskless, domesticated Wooly Mammoth just added to that.</p>
<p>As for the Clovis Point People, well, theories have abounded as to their place of origin too, and while I have not before heard of the French origin theory, which to me seems implausable, I have heard theories that they were a sea faring people, but came from areas closer to where their sites in South America were originally found. It&#8217;s more plausable that they sailed from nearby islands and landed in South America, and slowly migrated north. At least, this is what was discussed in my antropology classes.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Carycomic, I saw &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&amp;episodeId=272794&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;that show&lt;/a&gt; too. There is some interesting supporting evidence. If the Clovis people were from prehistoric France, then I suspect they would have been wiped out by severe climate change or an astronomical event (massive comet impact?)... possibilities mentioned in the program. I think if the Clovis were from France and they survived and later interbred with the asian immigrants (Bering land bridge) there would be some sort of DNA evidence in modern Native Americans. Then there are alot of assumptions in comparing DNA and alot of incomplete information. I think this is one of those things that will take a couple decades to sort out, though I want to know now! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Carycomic, I saw <a href="http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&#038;episodeId=272794" rel="nofollow">that show</a> too. There is some interesting supporting evidence. If the Clovis people were from prehistoric France, then I suspect they would have been wiped out by severe climate change or an astronomical event (massive comet impact?)&#8230; possibilities mentioned in the program. I think if the Clovis were from France and they survived and later interbred with the asian immigrants (Bering land bridge) there would be some sort of DNA evidence in modern Native Americans. Then there are alot of assumptions in comparing DNA and alot of incomplete information. I think this is one of those things that will take a couple decades to sort out, though I want to know now! <img src='http://www.millennium3.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Carycomic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carycomic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to that History Channel special, &quot;Journey To 10,000 BC,&quot; there is a paleontologist who has recently--and somewhat controversially--postulated that the Clovis Point Culture of eastern North America might have been fishing folk from prehistoric France!  And, that they transatlantically voyaged to the New World to escape the Ice Age interval called the Younger Dryas Period.

  This would have been about three thousand years prior to the formation of the Bering Landbridge.  Again; according to the special.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to that History Channel special, &#8220;Journey To 10,000 BC,&#8221; there is a paleontologist who has recently&#8211;and somewhat controversially&#8211;postulated that the Clovis Point Culture of eastern North America might have been fishing folk from prehistoric France!  And, that they transatlantically voyaged to the New World to escape the Ice Age interval called the Younger Dryas Period.</p>
<p>  This would have been about three thousand years prior to the formation of the Bering Landbridge.  Again; according to the special.</p>
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		<title>By: Carycomic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carycomic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right.  I just saw this film, earlier this evening.  And, it&#039;s just as much a science fantasy as the now-classic &quot;Quest For Fire.&quot;  It&#039;s also just as entertaining, if one can suspend one&#039;s disbelief somewhat.

  For instance, I didn&#039;t find the size of that CGI sabertooth so implausible.  With vitamin deficiencies and such, Mesolithic people probably _were_ less than five feet tall.  Which means, from their point of view, a SEVEN-foot tall smilodon would most definitely be a giant monster! 

  Furthermore, with all the different legends about an ancient Great Flood around the world, I firmly believe there _must_ have been an Atlantis-like continent at one time.  With a native population that might have been slightly more advanced than their neighbors.

  The one complaint I do have, with this film?  Modern-day elephants do not _gallop_ when they stampede!  Rather they move at a very powerful fast-walk.  And, I&#039;m sure the same was true of woolly mammoths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right.  I just saw this film, earlier this evening.  And, it&#8217;s just as much a science fantasy as the now-classic &#8220;Quest For Fire.&#8221;  It&#8217;s also just as entertaining, if one can suspend one&#8217;s disbelief somewhat.</p>
<p>  For instance, I didn&#8217;t find the size of that CGI sabertooth so implausible.  With vitamin deficiencies and such, Mesolithic people probably _were_ less than five feet tall.  Which means, from their point of view, a SEVEN-foot tall smilodon would most definitely be a giant monster! </p>
<p>  Furthermore, with all the different legends about an ancient Great Flood around the world, I firmly believe there _must_ have been an Atlantis-like continent at one time.  With a native population that might have been slightly more advanced than their neighbors.</p>
<p>  The one complaint I do have, with this film?  Modern-day elephants do not _gallop_ when they stampede!  Rather they move at a very powerful fast-walk.  And, I&#8217;m sure the same was true of woolly mammoths.</p>
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		<title>By: Casie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the dwarf mammoths on Wrangel Island were too small to be anything like those depicted in that movie trailer (if I remember the details of the trailer correctly; I&#039;ve only seen it once.) But it&#039;s still fascinating to think that mammoths were still around in the Bronze Age (if in a remote location)...

Of course, there is some evidence that at least one sub-species of dwarf mammoth existed even into &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuffleupagus&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;modern times&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the dwarf mammoths on Wrangel Island were too small to be anything like those depicted in that movie trailer (if I remember the details of the trailer correctly; I&#8217;ve only seen it once.) But it&#8217;s still fascinating to think that mammoths were still around in the Bronze Age (if in a remote location)&#8230;</p>
<p>Of course, there is some evidence that at least one sub-species of dwarf mammoth existed even into <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuffleupagus" rel="nofollow">modern times</a></p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 05:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right. 3000 BC to 2000 BC is a &quot;best fit&quot; to what is depicted in this movie, minus the prehistoric animals, of course.

An interesting exception in the story of mammoth is the hold out on Wrangel Island. A population of dwarfed mammoths there didn&#039;t go extinct until around 1700 BC!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://packrat.aml.arizona.edu/Journal/v37n1/vartanyan.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://packrat.aml.arizona.edu/Journal/v37n1/vartanyan.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. 3000 BC to 2000 BC is a &#8220;best fit&#8221; to what is depicted in this movie, minus the prehistoric animals, of course.</p>
<p>An interesting exception in the story of mammoth is the hold out on Wrangel Island. A population of dwarfed mammoths there didn&#8217;t go extinct until around 1700 BC!</p>
<p><a href="http://packrat.aml.arizona.edu/Journal/v37n1/vartanyan.html" rel="nofollow">http://packrat.aml.arizona.edu/Journal/v37n1/vartanyan.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 04:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this is more like &quot;3000 BC&quot;, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this is more like &#8220;3000 BC&#8221;, right?</p>
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		<title>By: ctrl-z</title>
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		<dc:creator>ctrl-z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On one of the trailers it looked like they were riding camels or some other sort of animal that was alive at that time (not horses). But yeah the saber tooth looked too big and even the mammoths were too big.</description>
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